War with Iran

[whiskerbiscuit]

THe Saudi leadership wants stability. That is a major plus. The Saudis are even willing to work with Israel. In my opinion if the Obama Administration would not have had a hard on for the Iranians, they could have created a very solid peace plan between the Israelis and PLO. But they threw that away to side with the Iranian Mullahs. Hard to fathom.

While I would prefer peace, that just isn't to be had. And if the Sunnis and Shia are fighting against each other, that takes some of their focus on terrorism against the US and adds a solid partner in combatting ME terrorism. In an imperfect world, I take the best of the imperfect allies. That is Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia’s murderous regime stands in ideological opposition to American and western liberal values.

We cannot support them and simultaneously claim to believe in individual rights and freedom.

We need a foreign policy that reflects our values first and our “interests” second.

So do Iran’s.

Who's beating the war drums against the Saudis?

[Beef Supreme]

"Don't let Obama play the Iran card in order to start a war in order to get re-elected. Be careful, republicans!"


-Donald Trump, Oct 22, 2012.





There really is a tweet for everything.

[ForCaleb]

“I stay in the present”

-Beefcake

[mlhouse]

"Don't let Obama play the Iran card in order to start a war in order to get re-elected. Be careful, republicans!"


-Donald Trump, Oct 22, 2012.





There really is a tweet for everything.

But in the end I don't think we are drumming the war drums for Iran either. Iran will be Iran. I think they are making a mistake if they think they are goiong to draw Trump into a war on the ground in Iran. Trump opposed the Iraq war.

On the other hand, U.S. retaliation against Iranian air and sea assets is something that could happen. The Iranians go to sleep one night thinking they have a little navy and air force. Wake up the next day to see burning hulks. 1

[whiskerbiscuit]

"Don't let Obama play the Iran card in order to start a war in order to get re-elected. Be careful, republicans!"


-Donald Trump, Oct 22, 2012.





There really is a tweet for everything.

But in the end I don't think we are drumming the war drums for Iran either. Iran will be Iran. I think they are making a mistake if they think they are goiong to draw Trump into a war on the ground in Iran. Trump opposed the Iraq war.

On the other hand, U.S. retaliation against Iranian air and sea assets is something that could happen. The Iranians go to sleep one night thinking they have a little navy and air force. Wake up the next day to see burning hulks. 1

So pretty much war, just not on the ground.


Sounds like eight years of Obama.

[mlhouse]

"Don't let Obama play the Iran card in order to start a war in order to get re-elected. Be careful, republicans!"


-Donald Trump, Oct 22, 2012.





There really is a tweet for everything.

But in the end I don't think we are drumming the war drums for Iran either. Iran will be Iran. I think they are making a mistake if they think they are goiong to draw Trump into a war on the ground in Iran. Trump opposed the Iraq war.

On the other hand, U.S. retaliation against Iranian air and sea assets is something that could happen. The Iranians go to sleep one night thinking they have a little navy and air force. Wake up the next day to see burning hulks. 1

So pretty much war, just not on the ground.


Sounds like eight years of Obama.

Except it will have a sound strategic basis. I am going to let sanctions work, tighten them based on the current Iranian behavior and simultaneous destroy their ability to project any power into the Persian Gulf.

The Obama ADministration started appeasing the Iranians and Russians from day 1. They appeared to view the Iranians as our partners in the Middle East even when appeasing htem went against US interests. They then made a deal with them that paid them off up front with limited promises of tyrants as the bargain for the US: they completely removed the existing sanctins regime, paid them the disputed frozen assets and then some, and took the tyrants word for it that they would behave while all of the cards were held by the United States because we did not need an agreement, the Iranians did.

[whiskerbiscuit]

But in the end I don't think we are drumming the war drums for Iran either. Iran will be Iran. I think they are making a mistake if they think they are goiong to draw Trump into a war on the ground in Iran. Trump opposed the Iraq war.

On the other hand, U.S. retaliation against Iranian air and sea assets is something that could happen. The Iranians go to sleep one night thinking they have a little navy and air force. Wake up the next day to see burning hulks. 1

So pretty much war, just not on the ground.


Sounds like eight years of Obama.

Except it will have a sound strategic basis. I am going to let sanctions work, tighten them based on the current Iranian behavior and simultaneous destroy their ability to project any power into the Persian Gulf.

The Obama ADministration started appeasing the Iranians and Russians from day 1. They appeared to view the Iranians as our partners in the Middle East even when appeasing htem went against US interests. They then made a deal with them that paid them off up front with limited promises of tyrants as the bargain for the US: they completely removed the existing sanctins regime, paid them the disputed frozen assets and then some, and took the tyrants word for it that they would behave while all of the cards were held by the United States because we did not need an agreement, the Iranians did.

Yea, blowing things up and causing needless death is always good strategy.


'Murica.

[mlhouse]

So pretty much war, just not on the ground.


Sounds like eight years of Obama.

Except it will have a sound strategic basis. I am going to let sanctions work, tighten them based on the current Iranian behavior and simultaneous destroy their ability to project any power into the Persian Gulf.

The Obama ADministration started appeasing the Iranians and Russians from day 1. They appeared to view the Iranians as our partners in the Middle East even when appeasing htem went against US interests. They then made a deal with them that paid them off up front with limited promises of tyrants as the bargain for the US: they completely removed the existing sanctins regime, paid them the disputed frozen assets and then some, and took the tyrants word for it that they would behave while all of the cards were held by the United States because we did not need an agreement, the Iranians did.

Yea, blowing things up and causing needless death is always good strategy.


'Murica.

As tankers burn in the Persian Gulf.... should have just let those Germans rampage over Europe and Japanese over China too.

[whiskerbiscuit]

Except it will have a sound strategic basis. I am going to let sanctions work, tighten them based on the current Iranian behavior and simultaneous destroy their ability to project any power into the Persian Gulf.

The Obama ADministration started appeasing the Iranians and Russians from day 1. They appeared to view the Iranians as our partners in the Middle East even when appeasing htem went against US interests. They then made a deal with them that paid them off up front with limited promises of tyrants as the bargain for the US: they completely removed the existing sanctins regime, paid them the disputed frozen assets and then some, and took the tyrants word for it that they would behave while all of the cards were held by the United States because we did not need an agreement, the Iranians did.

Yea, blowing things up and causing needless death is always good strategy.


'Murica.

As tankers burn in the Persian Gulf.... should have just let those Germans rampage over Europe and Japanese over China too.

Nobody even believes it was Iran. Just get the fuck out of the Middle East.



It isn't our business.

[mlhouse]

Yea, blowing things up and causing needless death is always good strategy.


'Murica.

As tankers burn in the Persian Gulf.... should have just let those Germans rampage over Europe and Japanese over China too.

Nobody even believes it was Iran. Just get the fuck out of the Middle East.



It isn't our business.

Only morons believe it wasn't Iran.

If we got out of the Middle East and the Europeans were cut off from oil, is that ok?

[whiskerbiscuit]

As tankers burn in the Persian Gulf.... should have just let those Germans rampage over Europe and Japanese over China too.

Nobody even believes it was Iran. Just get the fuck out of the Middle East.



It isn't our business.

Only morons believe it wasn't Iran.

If we got out of the Middle East and the Europeans were cut off from oil, is that ok?

Only the people that have been lusting for war with Iran for a decade are saying it WAS Iran. The whole world knows they're lying just like they lied about Iraq.


You still think it's 1995 and people actually take US neo con officials seriously.

[mlhouse]

Nobody even believes it was Iran. Just get the fuck out of the Middle East.



It isn't our business.

Only morons believe it wasn't Iran.

If we got out of the Middle East and the Europeans were cut off from oil, is that ok?

Only the people that have been lusting for war with Iran for a decade are saying it WAS Iran. The whole world knows they're lying just like they lied about Iraq.


You still think it's 1995 and people actually take US neo con officials seriously.

And those that ignore reality.

[Slap Shot]

https://www.cato.org/publications/comme ... udi-arabia

US Should Balance Iran and Saudi Arabia

The kingdom deserved candidate Trump’s scorn. It is a corrupt totalitarian state, long tied financially to terrorists, yet it treats U.S. soldiers as the royals’ personal bodyguard.

Former Defense Secretary Robert Gates recalled meeting King Abdullah: “He wanted a full-scale attack on Iranian military targets, not just the nuclear sites.” This supposed friend of America “was asking the United States to send its sons and daughters into a war with Iran in order to protect the Saudi position in the Gulf and the region, as if we were mercenaries.”

When President Trump was elected it looked like the Saudis’ free ride might be over. However, the president’s first trip was to Riyadh, where he partied the night away while doing the “sword dance.” Then he peered into the orb, the curious symbol of Saudi Arabia’s new anti-radicalism center.

Given the president’s reaction, some observers speculated that the Saudis had acquired the infamous Eye of Sauron after the destruction of Mordor. President Trump subsequently appeared to have fallen completely under Riyadh’s spell.

Unfortunately, Saudi Arabia is a totalitarian state. There is no political or religious liberty, far less than in its infamous rival Iran.

Only recently has the crown prince relaxed some social controls. While simultaneously cracking down on critics of the monarchy, including women who campaigned against some of the policies he initiated. Politically, Saudi Arabia is now less free.

What Riyadh does overseas should be of even greater concern to Washington, however. Over the years Saudi Arabia has spent some $100 billion to promote the extremist Wahhabist variant of Islam around the world, including in the U.S.

Saudi money and personnel long infused terrorist movements, most notably al-Qaida. Saudi Arabia had little concern when only Westerners seemed to be at risk. Now the kingdom purports to be a crusader against terrorism, criticizing Qatar because the latter underwrites critics of the monarchy, who the royals consider to be “terrorists.”

Saudi Arabia also backed radical Islamist insurgents in an attempt to overthrow Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, essentially the same strategy which turned disastrously wrong in both Iraq and Libya. Riyadh intervened militarily to support Bahrain’s authoritarian, minority Sunni monarchy against the majority Shia population.

There’s no need for Washington to take sides between Iran and Saudi Arabia. However, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo essentially demanded the former’s surrender: accept Saudi hegemony, disarm in the face of superior Saudi military force, abandon its few regional allies, and beg for Washington’s and Riyadh’s mercy. Why this favoritism toward the Saudi dictatorship?

The U.S. claims to fear Iranian dominance in the Middle East, but that neither threatens America — which is a superpower, if anyone has forgotten — nor is likely to. The Islamic Republic is beset with domestic economic and political difficulties. Its alleged foreign “empire” is made up of geopolitical dregs that no one else wants, while its Mideast adversaries are many.

Unfortunately this administration has never had the foresight to see the forest for the trees.

[whiskerbiscuit]

Only morons believe it wasn't Iran.

If we got out of the Middle East and the Europeans were cut off from oil, is that ok?

Only the people that have been lusting for war with Iran for a decade are saying it WAS Iran. The whole world knows they're lying just like they lied about Iraq.


You still think it's 1995 and people actually take US neo con officials seriously.

And those that ignore reality.

. Literally the only people who are falling for it are US conservatives. The entire world smells a rat.


But I suppose you're right and everyone else is wrong. You're smarter than Einstein, remember?


This time the war mongering Republicans are telling the truth. This time we can believe them. Just pretend the last two decades of needless bullshit war never happened.

[mlhouse]

Only the people that have been lusting for war with Iran for a decade are saying it WAS Iran. The whole world knows they're lying just like they lied about Iraq.


You still think it's 1995 and people actually take US neo con officials seriously.

And those that ignore reality.

. Literally the only people who are falling for it are US conservatives. The entire world smells a rat.


But I suppose you're right and everyone else is wrong. You're smarter than Einstein, remember?


This time the war mongering Republicans are telling the truth. This time we can believe them. Just pretend the last two decades of needless bullshit war never happened.

Right... they have such a solid record.

I am smarter than Einstein in economics, that is for sure. He has his area of expertise, I have mine. But nice try.

[whiskerbiscuit]

Christ.

[mlhouse]

Christ.

I am sure all the 911 Truthers are right behind you.

[zeitgeist]

I have a new sig, ty Mlhouse.

[mlhouse]

I have a new sig, ty Mlhouse.

It is a good one. But, I know much more about economics than Einstein. Fact.

[zeitgeist]

I have a new sig, ty Mlhouse.

It is a good one. But, I know much more about economics than Einstein. Fact.

You may, that doesn't really mean much though. What I find funny about it though is that you seem to be equating your knowledge of economics with Einsteins knowledge of physics.

[mlhouse]

I have a new sig, ty Mlhouse.

It is a good one. But, I know much more about economics than Einstein. Fact.

You may, that doesn't really mean much though. What I find funny about it though is that you seem to be equating your knowledge of economics with Einsteins knowledge of physics.

Maybe to a simpleton like you.

[Slap Shot]

[zeitgeist]

It is a good one. But, I know much more about economics than Einstein. Fact.

You may, that doesn't really mean much though. What I find funny about it though is that you seem to be equating your knowledge of economics with Einsteins knowledge of physics.

Maybe to a simpleton like you.

Maybe that supposed big Einstein brain of yours doesn't translate well over the internet because the only recognizable trait you have had on here and Rube Chat over the years is that you're repeatedly wrong about things and have a completely unearned arrogance about yourself.

You may have an understanding of economics, but Thomas Piketty would make you his bitch in under 5 minutes in any debate.

[mlhouse]

You may, that doesn't really mean much though. What I find funny about it though is that you seem to be equating your knowledge of economics with Einsteins knowledge of physics.

Maybe to a simpleton like you.

Maybe that supposed big Einstein brain of yours doesn't translate well over the internet because the only recognizable trait you have had on here and Rube Chat over the years is that you're repeatedly wrong about things and have a completely unearned arrogance about yourself.

You may have an understanding of economics, but Thomas Piketty would make you his bitch in under 5 minutes in any debate.

HAHAHA.... Piketty published so many errors it would not even be a battle.

As far as being "repeatedly wrong" it is hilarious to listen to dumb asses like you talk. For example, for two years I have stated the obvious: there is absolutely no evidence of Russian Collusion. Idiots like you kept up the collusion claims for more than two fucking years. Babbling away like morons. Tick, tick, tick...just wait for the Mueller Report. Every completely unsubstantiated report was treated as a new reason why Trump was feeling the walls close in. The Deranged anti-Trump morons here and in the media made a hero out of a loser like Michael Avenetti, who skyrocketed into the liberal mind set to such a heights he thought he was Presidential material!!!!! You can't make this shit up.

A bunch of baboons that cannot let it go even after your position has been completely discredited.

[Tommy_Hawk 2.0]

Christ.

I am sure all the 911 Truthers are right behind you.

Your problem is you look at everything through a historical lens, which makes your 'takes' here unreliable in the present time because things haven't played out yet.

Looking at everything through a journalistic lens as its happening is probably too much to ask.

[Qman65]

Proof Iran was behind the attack? Let's look at that first before we warm up our ICBM's.

[Tommy_Hawk 2.0]

Proof Iran was behind the attack? Let's look at that first before we warm up our ICBM's.

I agree, Lump.

We're still in the same War On Terror where Iraq and Saddam (Sunnis) had WMD's, and North Korea, Iraq, and Iran were the Axis of Evil, and all three countries with no relations to one another were working together as terrorists to destroy America because they hate our Freedom.

Sorry if I dont buy into the Neo-Con/Lib war mongers who have more in common with each other then they do any of us, saying somebody is a "bad guy".

[cunningham]

We loved Iran when we put the Shah into power, but when the people there removed him and they took hostages to get us out we changed sides.

The Saudis can’t be trusted and we are siding with them. Do you think they would come here and kiss our asses as our Presidents do when they go there?

We need to be above this and work toward a peace between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Qatar right now is their little Vietnam.

$5.6 trillion out of our paychecks and look what we have gotten. Europe has free college and health care, but all we got was Bush and “Mission Accomplished.” Bin Laden did the 9-11 attacks knowing we would react as we did. All of those hijackers were Saudis and Egyptians. The planners, funders, and leaders were too.

As a fiscal conservative I’m tired of giving them our money. I’m more worried about paying for my health care costs and student loans than Muslims and the Middle East.

[Sellingguy]

As i have said for a couple of decades now. It is time to tell the middle east to FUCK OFF! Get every american out of that shit hole of a region, cut them off from everything. Had we done this in the 80's with the Iran/iraq war the region would be toast by now and the world could share the oil. We will never ever solve their problems and they will never get along with themselves and the rest of the world. And that means no more mayo clinic for the rich guys.

[vikesbumeout]

As i have said for a couple of decades now. It is time to tell the middle east to FUCK OFF! Get every american out of that shit hole of a region, cut them off from everything. Had we done this in the 80's with the Iran/iraq war the region would be toast by now and the world could share the oil. We will never ever solve their problems and they will never get along with themselves and the rest of the world. And that means no more mayo clinic for the rich guys.

Much easier now that we are more energy independant.

Thanks “Drill Baby Drill”!!