Wolves in on D'Angelo Russell?

[T_J]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/2 ... op-Of-List

Shit

I'd be stunned if he went back there after how they unceremoniously dumped him and slammed him after he got traded.

[D_H]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/2 ... op-Of-List

Shit

I'd be stunned if he went back there after how they unceremoniously dumped him and slammed him after he got traded.

I don't think anyone REALLY knows what's going on. It's media members trying to get clicks.

[jodaman01]

Decoded:

RoCo and Wiggins for James Johnson, Dion Waiters and DeAngelo Russell

Wolves might be able to convince Nets to take Okogie instead. Nets may need every bit of cap they can spare.

You are going to have to send RoCo or Okogie imo.

I really don't want to let RoCo go.

I think that’s why Rosas didn’t move Covington. He can now use him in another deal and more teams would likely want him.

[D_H]

Oh look now he's going to Phoenix to join his good friend Devin Booker. LoL

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/ ... 573222001/

I suspect you see this kind of crap in about 20 NBA cities

[mglviks]

If we fail on Dlo.

Whats plan B? Idk I may prefer it. Like next years pg class.

Wouldnt shock me if Pelicans offer Ball for Wiggins.

[D_H]

If we fail on Dlo.

Whats plan B? Idk I may prefer it. Like next years pg class.

Wouldnt shock me if Pelicans offer Ball for Wiggins.

2 days the rumor going around Philly was he was going to Philadelphia with his high school teammate Ben Simmons. Lololol

NOBODY KNOWS!

[KevinBaconIsNotMyHero]

If we fail on Dlo.

Whats plan B? Idk I may prefer it. Like next years pg class.

Wouldnt shock me if Pelicans offer Ball for Wiggins.

Really? It would definitely shock me. Mostly just based on the years left for AW. I’m not sure Ball is good but at least his money isn’t prohibitive.

[mglviks]

If we fail on Dlo.

Whats plan B? Idk I may prefer it. Like next years pg class.

Wouldnt shock me if Pelicans offer Ball for Wiggins.

Really? It would definitely shock me. Mostly just based on the years left for AW. I’m not sure Ball is good but at least his money isn’t prohibitive.

They got time before Zion needs the money.

They said they were going to look at options with what they got back. Already moved 1 piece. This would need to tie into the LA deal as a 3 way.

Jrue covers up wiggins on D.

Jrue
Wiggins
Ingram
Zion
Randle ?

That aint bad at all.

[D_H]

If we fail on Dlo.

Whats plan B? Idk I may prefer it. Like next years pg class.

Wouldnt shock me if Pelicans offer Ball for Wiggins.

Really? It would definitely shock me. Mostly just based on the years left for AW. I’m not sure Ball is good but at least his money isn’t prohibitive.

They got time before Zion needs the money.

They said they were going to look at options with what they got back. Already moved 1 piece. This would need to tie into the LA deal as a 3 way.

Jrue covers up wiggins on D.

Jrue
Wiggins
Ingram
Zion
Randle ?

That aint bad at all.

No one is taking on that contract

[LordNu]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/2 ... op-Of-List

Shit

"Open minded" - doesn't sound like he is too enthralled.

What's the Philly talk around Butler? Definitely going to Houston? Do you guys not want to keep him?

[D_H]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/2 ... op-Of-List

Shit

"Open minded" - doesn't sound like he is too enthralled.

What's the Philly talk around Butler? Definitely going to Houston? Do you guys not want to keep him?

Houston doesn't have the cap space to afford Jimmy. Most Sixers fans really don't care if he stays or goes. By getting rid of Jonathan Simmons we have 66 million dollars in cap space to work with.

[mlhouse]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/2 ... op-Of-List

Shit

"Open minded" - doesn't sound like he is too enthralled.

What's the Philly talk around Butler? Definitely going to Houston? Do you guys not want to keep him?

Houston doesn't have the cap space to afford Jimmy. Most Sixers fans really don't care if he stays or goes. By getting rid of Jonathan Simmons we have we have 66 million dollars in cap space to work with.

I would love to see him in HOuston. I think he would be a terrible fit with Harden. The Rockets have an almost perfect lineup with the only problem it is getting a bit older. But they have the shooters to match with Harden who needs the ball 90% of the time. But Butler is a ball hog and I think he is a terrible off ball player. He will wear out his welcome watching Harden make play after play really quick.

[RubeTube]

"Open minded" - doesn't sound like he is too enthralled.

What's the Philly talk around Butler? Definitely going to Houston? Do you guys not want to keep him?

Houston doesn't have the cap space to afford Jimmy. Most Sixers fans really don't care if he stays or goes. By getting rid of Jonathan Simmons we have we have 66 million dollars in cap space to work with.

I would love to see him in HOuston. I think he would be a terrible fit with Harden. The Rockets have an almost perfect lineup with the only problem it is getting a bit older. But they have the shooters to match with Harden who needs the ball 90% of the time. But Butler is a ball hog and I think he is a terrible off ball player. He will wear out his welcome watching Harden make play after play really quick.

I agree. Paul and Harden need to quit being cock wads. They could make a run next year with the same team with GS out.

If they keep mostly the same team, I see Lakers and Rockets in the WCF

[D_H]

"Open minded" - doesn't sound like he is too enthralled.

What's the Philly talk around Butler? Definitely going to Houston? Do you guys not want to keep him?

Houston doesn't have the cap space to afford Jimmy. Most Sixers fans really don't care if he stays or goes. By getting rid of Jonathan Simmons we have we have 66 million dollars in cap space to work with.

I would love to see him in HOuston. I think he would be a terrible fit with Harden. The Rockets have an almost perfect lineup with the only problem it is getting a bit older. But they have the shooters to match with Harden who needs the ball 90% of the time. But Butler is a ball hog and I think he is a terrible off ball player. He will wear out his welcome watching Harden make play after play really quick.

He's likely going back to Philly they can pay him the most money. After we got Harris many times he was the fourth option. He was anything but a ball hog in Philadelphia as a matter of fact he deferred too much.

[mlhouse]

He's likely going back to Philly they can pay him the most money. After we got Harris many times he was the fourth option. He was anything but a ball hog in Philadelphia as a matter of fact he deferred too much.

But his value isnt a max contract as an offball player. He isn't a good one.

He might end back up in Philadelphia, but I also think they would love to get rid of him too. That may sound contradictory, but I would be surprised if the Sixers signed him early. They may wait ot see what happens.

[mlhouse]

Houston doesn't have the cap space to afford Jimmy. Most Sixers fans really don't care if he stays or goes. By getting rid of Jonathan Simmons we have we have 66 million dollars in cap space to work with.

I would love to see him in HOuston. I think he would be a terrible fit with Harden. The Rockets have an almost perfect lineup with the only problem it is getting a bit older. But they have the shooters to match with Harden who needs the ball 90% of the time. But Butler is a ball hog and I think he is a terrible off ball player. He will wear out his welcome watching Harden make play after play really quick.

I agree. Paul and Harden need to quit being cock wads. They could make a run next year with the same team with GS out.

If they keep mostly the same team, I see Lakers and Rockets in the WCF

Which I don't see why they want to blow it up and why they would need Butler.

[D_H]

He's likely going back to Philly they can pay him the most money. After we got Harris many times he was the fourth option. He was anything but a ball hog in Philadelphia as a matter of fact he deferred too much.

But his value isnt a max contract as an offball player. He isn't a good one.

He might end back up in Philadelphia, but I also think they would love to get rid of him too. That may sound contradictory, but I would be surprised if the Sixers signed him early. They may wait ot see what happens.

It doesn't really matter to 95% of Sixers fans if he stays or goes.

Lord got this thread off track, this is a Russell thread

[LordNu]

He's likely going back to Philly they can pay him the most money. After we got Harris many times he was the fourth option. He was anything but a ball hog in Philadelphia as a matter of fact he deferred too much.

But his value isnt a max contract as an offball player. He isn't a good one.

He might end back up in Philadelphia, but I also think they would love to get rid of him too. That may sound contradictory, but I would be surprised if the Sixers signed him early. They may wait ot see what happens.

It doesn't really matter to 95% of Sixers fans if he stays or goes.

Lord got this thread off track, this is a Russell thread

Oh go on, blame me.

For us to get Dlo, a few other dominoes have to fall - i.e. Kyrie, seeing what happens to Butler (due to Philly being in the sweepstakes) etc.

Players just want to get paid.

[Mplsfonz]

So.....What team is first to make a move?

Kyrie may get locked up at 12:01 or whatever time they can start. If that happens, how many teams will be jumping to offer DLo? We still have cap issues right?
I do not want to give up Roco or Okogie, and something tells me if Wiggins is traded, he will have an all star year in the east.

[OliverMiller]

Lol I just realized I was missing an s in his last name. Man am I an idiot

[SO_MONEY]

Not sure if I missed it being posted, but it has been reported (rumored) KD has sold his Bay Area home and bought one in NY.

[HeHateMe]

Dane Moore lays out the deal:

Teague + KBD + Cam Reynolds in a sign and trade for a maxed Russell. Teague would go to a third team likely with a future first round, maybe top 5-6 protected for 2020. And then you'd compensate the Nets with maybe a second in addition to KBD and Reynolds. You can substitute Okogie for that but I'm guessing Minnesota doesn't want to do that.

With the salary cap projected to land at $109 million, the Wolves currently sit $6.3 million over the cap. To acquire Russell, they would need to clear the space for his first-year salary plus $6.3 million. If Russell demands the full maximum salary he is eligible for next season ($27.3 million), the Wolves would then need to cut $33.6 million. Not only would this require an extremely difficult slashing process, it would necessitate the Wolves renouncing of their Bird Rights on all of their incumbent free agents (Tyus Jones, Derrick Rose, Taj Gibson, Anthony Tolliver, Luol Deng, Jerryd Bayless and Mitch Creek) — then requiring cap space or the use of an exception (mid-level, bi-annual or minimum) to bring any of them back. This would not only be a major undertaking but also a potentially devastating blow to the depth of the roster.

The reason a sign-and-trade is more tenable is that the Wolves would not need to clear cap space in a literal sense to attain Russell. Instead, the rules of a sign-and-trade would only require the Wolves to send out an amount of salary multiplied by 1.25 that equals Russell’s first-year salary. Again, if we assume the maximum of $27.3 million for Russell, the amount of outgoing salary the Wolves would need to send would be $21.8 million.

While many have drawn the Teague ($19M) and Okogie ($2.5M) connection, to get close to that $21.8 million number, there is a path that does not require Okogie being involved in the salary ballast portion of the deal. Keita Bates-Diop is on the books for $1.4 million next season and Cam Reynolds has a non-guaranteed contract that also costs $1.4 million. Teague, Bates-Diop and Reynolds equal exactly $21.8 million in 2019-20.

Now, the Nets aren’t just going to accept those three for Russell. The contrary: they are unwilling to take back any salary; for Brooklyn, the whole reason they’re letting Russell go is that they need the space to be able to sign two maximum salaries. Meaning the $21.8 million — whatever form that may come in — would need to be re-routed to a third team.

The best way to storyboard this out, in my opinion, is to think of this as two separate deals:

Part One: A deal with Brooklyn that sends assets to the Nets for facilitating the move. (The only historical precedent under this collective bargaining agreement for this type of move is when the Denver Nuggets signed Danilo Gallinari and traded him to the Los Angeles Clippers. Denver received Los Angeles’ second round pick the next season as a kickback for a player they weren’t going to re-sign.)
Part Two: A second deal would have to be worked with a third team that the salary fodder would be sent to.

Part Two is where things become something between tricky and ambiguous. The quality of the fodder would affect the added compensation that would be required. If that money comes in the form of the more onerous contracts of Andrew Wiggins (4 years, $122.2 million) or Gorgui Dieng (2 years, $33.5 million), the added compensation would be greater. But if the deal is for Teague and functionally two minimum contracts in Bates-Diop and Reynolds, that wouldn’t take the same asset thrust.

The historical precedent of this portion of the deal, again using the Gallinari sign-and-trade, is how the Clippers re-routed Jamal Crawford’s salary of $10.9 million in addition to Diamond Stone (a minimum contract that was waived) into the Atlanta Hawks cap space. Atlanta received the Clippers first round pick the next season as compensation for accepting the dump. (Crawford was immediately waived only to, ironically, be signed by the Wolves.)

Using the Gallinari deal as a framework, the compensation the Wolves would be paying would be their 2020 first round pick and their 2020 second round pick. But maybe that is conservative. Maybe the Clippers got off cheap. Maybe the additional $8.1 million in salary from Crawford’s price tag to Teague’s boost the requisite compensation. No one knows for sure.

My best guess would be that Part One of the deal (compensating Brooklyn for facilitating the deal) would cost more than just one second round pick — as Denver received for Gallinari. Maybe that is a future lottery-protected first. Let’s call it the Wolves’ 2022 first round pick lottery-protected. For Part Two of the deal (compensating the third team for absorbing the necessary salary), the Wolves 2020 first round pick seems reasonable for taking on Teague — provided the team has interest in Teague’s services. The New York Knicks come to mind.

Altogether, that deal would be Teague, Bates-Diop, Reynolds, the Wolves 2020 first and the Wolves 2022 first for the opportunity to have D’Angelo Russell on a maximum contract.

Maybe it will be more, but again, the Nuggets-Clippers deal is the only parallel to draw here on precedent, and this would be more than the Nuggets and Hawks received in terms of their compensation two summers ago.

Russell is not a no-brainer positive value on a maximum contract. People are quick to point out that he was an All-Star last season, but that came in the junior varsity conference and as a product of being handed the entirety of the reigns after Caris LeVert went down with an injury.

(Butterfly effect question: What would Russell’s market look like this summer had LeVert never gotten hurt? Many players on rookie contracts that are deemed worthy of something around $15 million annually are given a rookie contract extension after their third season before they hit restricted free agency — like last year, for example, where Myles Turner (4 years, $72 million) and even Larry Nance (4 years, $45 million). A Russell contract extension in Brooklyn never came together.)

That questioning aside, the Wolves are desperate to find a pick-and-roll partner for Towns. The pairing with Rose was wonky due to Rose’s classical conditioning of thinking he is the go-to option in those situations. Teague and Towns found some success in their two-man game if they were ever able to get into the action before the shot clock ended. Jones is too limited as a scorer in pick-and-roll situations to build up any excitement with him and Towns.

Russell gained ample experience in ball-screen action last season. The volume with which Russell was used in the pick-and-roll last season — 62 pick-and-rolls per 100 possessions — exceeded the frequency other ball-screen wizards like Damian Lillard and Kemba Walker worked in the action.

There’s also just the human element of all of this. Towns seems to really want Russell, and that feels important.

[SHAFA]

I don’t have a problem bringing Russell in, but paying him the max kinda makes me queasy.

[SO_MONEY]

Dane Moore lays out the deal:

Teague + KBD + Cam Reynolds in a sign and trade for a maxed Russell. Teague would go to a third team likely with a future first round, maybe top 5-6 protected for 2020. And then you'd compensate the Nets with maybe a second in addition to KBD and Reynolds. You can substitute Okogie for that but I'm guessing Minnesota doesn't want to do that.

With the salary cap projected to land at $109 million, the Wolves currently sit $6.3 million over the cap. To acquire Russell, they would need to clear the space for his first-year salary plus $6.3 million. If Russell demands the full maximum salary he is eligible for next season ($27.3 million), the Wolves would then need to cut $33.6 million. Not only would this require an extremely difficult slashing process, it would necessitate the Wolves renouncing of their Bird Rights on all of their incumbent free agents (Tyus Jones, Derrick Rose, Taj Gibson, Anthony Tolliver, Luol Deng, Jerryd Bayless and Mitch Creek) — then requiring cap space or the use of an exception (mid-level, bi-annual or minimum) to bring any of them back. This would not only be a major undertaking but also a potentially devastating blow to the depth of the roster.

The reason a sign-and-trade is more tenable is that the Wolves would not need to clear cap space in a literal sense to attain Russell. Instead, the rules of a sign-and-trade would only require the Wolves to send out an amount of salary multiplied by 1.25 that equals Russell’s first-year salary. Again, if we assume the maximum of $27.3 million for Russell, the amount of outgoing salary the Wolves would need to send would be $21.8 million.

While many have drawn the Teague ($19M) and Okogie ($2.5M) connection, to get close to that $21.8 million number, there is a path that does not require Okogie being involved in the salary ballast portion of the deal. Keita Bates-Diop is on the books for $1.4 million next season and Cam Reynolds has a non-guaranteed contract that also costs $1.4 million. Teague, Bates-Diop and Reynolds equal exactly $21.8 million in 2019-20.

Now, the Nets aren’t just going to accept those three for Russell. The contrary: they are unwilling to take back any salary; for Brooklyn, the whole reason they’re letting Russell go is that they need the space to be able to sign two maximum salaries. Meaning the $21.8 million — whatever form that may come in — would need to be re-routed to a third team.

The best way to storyboard this out, in my opinion, is to think of this as two separate deals:

Part One: A deal with Brooklyn that sends assets to the Nets for facilitating the move. (The only historical precedent under this collective bargaining agreement for this type of move is when the Denver Nuggets signed Danilo Gallinari and traded him to the Los Angeles Clippers. Denver received Los Angeles’ second round pick the next season as a kickback for a player they weren’t going to re-sign.)
Part Two: A second deal would have to be worked with a third team that the salary fodder would be sent to.

Part Two is where things become something between tricky and ambiguous. The quality of the fodder would affect the added compensation that would be required. If that money comes in the form of the more onerous contracts of Andrew Wiggins (4 years, $122.2 million) or Gorgui Dieng (2 years, $33.5 million), the added compensation would be greater. But if the deal is for Teague and functionally two minimum contracts in Bates-Diop and Reynolds, that wouldn’t take the same asset thrust.

The historical precedent of this portion of the deal, again using the Gallinari sign-and-trade, is how the Clippers re-routed Jamal Crawford’s salary of $10.9 million in addition to Diamond Stone (a minimum contract that was waived) into the Atlanta Hawks cap space. Atlanta received the Clippers first round pick the next season as compensation for accepting the dump. (Crawford was immediately waived only to, ironically, be signed by the Wolves.)

Using the Gallinari deal as a framework, the compensation the Wolves would be paying would be their 2020 first round pick and their 2020 second round pick. But maybe that is conservative. Maybe the Clippers got off cheap. Maybe the additional $8.1 million in salary from Crawford’s price tag to Teague’s boost the requisite compensation. No one knows for sure.

My best guess would be that Part One of the deal (compensating Brooklyn for facilitating the deal) would cost more than just one second round pick — as Denver received for Gallinari. Maybe that is a future lottery-protected first. Let’s call it the Wolves’ 2022 first round pick lottery-protected. For Part Two of the deal (compensating the third team for absorbing the necessary salary), the Wolves 2020 first round pick seems reasonable for taking on Teague — provided the team has interest in Teague’s services. The New York Knicks come to mind.

Altogether, that deal would be Teague, Bates-Diop, Reynolds, the Wolves 2020 first and the Wolves 2022 first for the opportunity to have D’Angelo Russell on a maximum contract.

Maybe it will be more, but again, the Nuggets-Clippers deal is the only parallel to draw here on precedent, and this would be more than the Nuggets and Hawks received in terms of their compensation two summers ago.

Russell is not a no-brainer positive value on a maximum contract. People are quick to point out that he was an All-Star last season, but that came in the junior varsity conference and as a product of being handed the entirety of the reigns after Caris LeVert went down with an injury.

(Butterfly effect question: What would Russell’s market look like this summer had LeVert never gotten hurt? Many players on rookie contracts that are deemed worthy of something around $15 million annually are given a rookie contract extension after their third season before they hit restricted free agency — like last year, for example, where Myles Turner (4 years, $72 million) and even Larry Nance (4 years, $45 million). A Russell contract extension in Brooklyn never came together.)

That questioning aside, the Wolves are desperate to find a pick-and-roll partner for Towns. The pairing with Rose was wonky due to Rose’s classical conditioning of thinking he is the go-to option in those situations. Teague and Towns found some success in their two-man game if they were ever able to get into the action before the shot clock ended. Jones is too limited as a scorer in pick-and-roll situations to build up any excitement with him and Towns.

Russell gained ample experience in ball-screen action last season. The volume with which Russell was used in the pick-and-roll last season — 62 pick-and-rolls per 100 possessions — exceeded the frequency other ball-screen wizards like Damian Lillard and Kemba Walker worked in the action.

There’s also just the human element of all of this. Towns seems to really want Russell, and that feels important.

Giving up way too much. TWO 1sts in a S&T, c'mon, obscene.

[HeHateMe]

He said a protected future first to a team taking on Teague and maybe a second to the Nets. He used the precedent for Denver/Clippers with Gallo.

[LordNu]

Dane Moore lays out the deal:

Teague + KBD + Cam Reynolds in a sign and trade for a maxed Russell. Teague would go to a third team likely with a future first round, maybe top 5-6 protected for 2020. And then you'd compensate the Nets with maybe a second in addition to KBD and Reynolds. You can substitute Okogie for that but I'm guessing Minnesota doesn't want to do that.

Thanks for posting.

I am all for this if it costs us only ONE first.

[LordNu]

We'd still have a logjam at the SG and SF spots. Not a bad thing by any stretch, but are we really going to stack those positions?

[SO_MONEY]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/why ... are-2.html

[HeHateMe]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/why ... are-2.html

What will you do if it happens?

[OliverMiller]

Twice because it makes me so hard